The AP1 pitching wedge is 43 degrees. I have both the AP2 (4,5) and CB (6-P) in my set. Titleist 716 AP1, AP2, CB, MB Irons review reveals how additional tungsten lowers the CG to give a better feeling and more forgiving iron. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 80 TX (43.25 inches, 58 lie, D4), 5-wood: TaylorMade SIM2 (19 degrees @ 18.25) I have the 716 AP2's that I … Looking to replace my Long Irons with the AP2’s. I play the CB in the 5 & 6 as they still give feel and workability but a bit more forgiveness. Also, the Ap2s seem to play great with the calloway supersoft ball. I have hit all the new 716 clubs and found that the T-MB was the club for me, check them out if you can. The object in business is to sell and make money. I think many new 7 irons are under 30*. I have played blades for over 20 years and I can't bring myself to change due to the look. All rights reserved. That’s were I am ordering from. You do not have to buy. Titleist Vokey SM7 In 2007, Titleist launched the AP1 and AP2 irons. The big difference is in the sole that has been improved with a smoother sole width progression and an increase in … All Vokey Design Wedges; SM8; Scotty Cameron Putters. Like the 714 AP1 and AP2 irons, the MB’s and CB’s have an improved hosel blend that makes offset less apparent at address. R&D, advertising, advanced materials cost money. The Titleist 716 AP irons - which come in AP1 (for a wider range of golfers) and AP2 (for lower handicappers) - replace the 714 models in the company's lineup. and stiff. Well, actually, it has replaced the bar. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. You probably bought your last set of irons off the rack at Golfsmith. And the stronger lofts of the AP1 irons makes for a difficult set makeup. They also share the AP2’s dual-cavity construction, but instead of thinning the top of the face, engineers removed weight from underneath the long irons’ thicker topline, creating a deep undercut that allows 10 grams of discretionary weight to be positioned around the perimeter of the irons for a higher MOI. With hit a few AP2 714’s and compare them to my 712’s. Here are how the numbers looked on our launch monitor when I hit each Titleist iron: Key: Green/Iron 2 = 718 AP 3. According to Chris McGinley, Titleist’s vice president of marketing, it’s because of tungsten and the irons’ progressive design. The issue for me is lofts. Taylor did close to 1.5 billion in hard goods. The wider distance between the two tungsten weights gives the irons a higher MOI without having to increase the size of the iron — an important consideration for better golfers, most of whom prefer smaller-sized iron heads. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD “Engineered for Tour Spec” 75X, Hybrids: Srixon ZX (19, 22 degrees) I agree. Compare the New Titleist 718 Irons Explore the entire Titleist 718 … Yup, plus upgrades steel shafts could cost about $1,300 + for 8 irons? They are Titleist president Steve Pelisek’s words not mine. > > However I only found that there really isn't much a performance difference; it was feel and aesthetics. 4-U. They also have slightly straighter leading edges, and the CB has a sole with increased camber to help improve turf interaction. our members have been discussing playing traditional lofted irons. I am a 10 Handicap is that matters at all. I forgot how much I enjoyed the lighter PING steel shaft offerings with the insert (JZ and ZZ65 are other shafts I have loved in older Ping sets in the past. I mush say I was surprised given that AP2 heel/toe weighting design is intended to be more forgiving. Titleist 718 AP2 irons – NCG verdict These clubs look sensational and there’s a fantastic sound and feel when you hit them out of the middle. brew4eagle: “My set has a 47* P and a 35* 7iron. Sign up for FREE here. The AP1 is designed with a higher MOI to allow for more forgiveness than any other Titleist model. The Titleist AP1 710 – Titleist AP2 710 – Titleist MB 710 – Titleist CB 710. I would think that AP2 or CB would be best with the criteria you are looking for. Titleist AP1, AP2, CB, and MB irons. Give it a try. My vote is: titleist please don't follow TM! However, the AP2 is also very forgiving and offers tremendous feel and workability. Still play the Hogan Edge and Apex Edge Pro, 3-FW. I’m a 9 Handicap and could tell the response from the clubs was quite dramatic with Titleist irons giving much better results. The Titliest 714 CB Irons are successors to the 712 CB irons and due to their popularity then Titleist have just made a few tweaks to the 714 version.. Although I’m not sure how much a degree stronger loft would change my distances but I’m sure most people will have to adjust their wedge lofts with the stronger lofts in the irons in mind or maybe in just overthinking. Now it seems I am fortunate to hit a 7-iron 135 yards. Consider this the middle child, an AP1.5. And it’s plentiful in the AP2’s. In the short irons, I demoed the MB but ultimately chose the CB … 3 iron to a 48d PW traditional). the ap2 has plenty of muscle behind it. The ap2's were just a little to big for me visually. The 714 seems to have slightly more distance than the 710, but only if you hit the sweet spot perfectly. I gave up looking for newer and better. And just as consistent, especially with Sensicore shafts installed. I must say that my 4i AP1 is nearly as long as my 5 wood (set to 18deg and shaft shortened by an inch). If you would like more information or would like to reserve a time, please call us at Team Titleist 1-888-TITLEIST … First of all, thank you! My handicap is seven (recently shot 78 with the 712 AP2) and there is a definite difference in … Cons: Not much difference between these and the 712 CB and MB irons. You could purchase the 5 iron through BOTH gap wedges and still be getting a set of eight irons. Simple either don’t buy the set or don’t buy the pitching wedge that comes with the set. The most dramatic change, however, are the sole widths of the AP1 short irons, which were made substantially more narrow and with thinner toplines than previous models to give the irons a much slimmer look at address. Basically, Titleist has done a TM with the AP1 by making each club about a club more. Which One?! While the 714s are very similar to their predecessor — they’re still one-piece irons forged from 1025 carbon steel — engineers made a few tweaks to their designs to improve the look and feel of the clubs. The faces were made thicker as well, which not only improved feel, but raised the CG to a level where tungsten was not needed in their design. The only difference is the CB will launch higher, that is if you compress the ball at all! They’re only strengthened because of the low CG of the club. I am looking to go back to a full set of MB's though. Good for Titleist… Help foster the elitism. The other reason is because the irons are absolutely superb. We do it a lot in store. TITLEIST 718 CB IRONS Mark Crossfield PGA professional with the help of Dan Hendriksen test the Titleist 718 CB irons at Torquay golf club. To further enhance the irons’ ball flight, Titleist strengthened the loft of 6 iron through gap wedge one degree, which will make them fly a little lower and go a bit farther as well. I prefer the cbs! Mizzy irons are $1000, same as the CB and MB. Titleist is also know for some of the highest prices on their stuff. The AP1 irons come stock with either True Temper’s XP 95 steel shafts or Mitsubishi Rayon’s Kuro Kage 65-gram graphite shafts. Titleist Vokey SM8 wedges: Leading with performance, TaylorMade’s new M3 and M4 irons, with “RibCOR” technology, Miura Launches ICL-601 Driving Irons in North America, Titleist announces new DT TruSoft golf balls and they’re available now, Titleist introduces new limited-edition Vokey Design AD-siXty wedges. Shafts: Oban Revenge Hybrid 85X, Irons: Mizuno MP-18 (4-PW) Future Brands got tired of it and sold Titleist to the Korean’s. AP2 vs. CB vs. MB Unfollow Thread. Definitely try all sets in the fitting and enjoy trying what Tutleist has to offer. In 2007, Titleist launched the AP1 and AP2 irons. And our members have been having their say in our forums. ... Titleist 915 D3 10.5 Rogue 60x Titleist AP1 714 KBS Tour and AP2 712 KBS C-Taper Titleist … You will soon change your mind. Plus the annoying thing is most brands are doing so you can't go anywhere else… Is mizuno the same? Anyways I think it’s a perfect offering for a guy who wants to play at his best ability without sacrificing a little forgiveness. The Titleist 716 AP irons - which come in AP1 (for a wider range of golfers) and AP2 (for lower handicappers) - replace the 714 models in the company's lineup. So Callaway Steelhead XR Irons tends to get more favorable ⭐ reviews than Titleist 716 AP1, as seen on the chart below. Joe, where have you been the last 8-10 years?? Titleist is confident it eliminated the issue this time around. The AP3 is Titleist’s latest iron and the one that appeals to low and high handicappers. I don't need/want a pitching wedge to be 44d, go 5m further and have to have 2 gap wedges to fill the hole between it and a sand wedge! Flushed more shots with all CB … You’re only complaining because you know Titleist makes the best clubs on the market and you want them but can’t afford them. 50 Words or Less. Like the AP2 irons, the trajectory of the short irons was lowered with slightly stronger lofts. If you want a cheaper price, go buy your clubs at Big 5. I played a set of ap2's for years, just picked up a set of 714 Mb's off a buddy and i'm not sure what set i like more at the moment. I can tell you the look is MUCH better when comparing the 716 and 718 AP1. I will tell you that I believe both feel great. Last my 54 and 58 volley wedges are the best and although I swapped out my AP1 gap wedge for a TVD 50 degree I don’t like the feel as good as what I think the stock 714 gap wedge will be. I am in the throes of trying to find five or more yards. The MB is a hunk of soft, forged metal. ... i had both the 714 AP1 and 716 AP1 before going to the CB. I play 714 AP2 and they are amazing! If you think something else is better and/or cheaper, why would you even comment?? Plus, if you got fit, you can order the irons in whatever loft you want (within reason). Hey Peter, yesterday I got fitted for both the AP1 718 and AP3.. I play the CBs which are great they have a great look from the top line yet provide that little bit of help on the strikes outside of perfect. 620 CB; Iron Selector Tool; CNCPT by Titleist. As a rule, the more forgiving AP1 irons are better suited to mid-to-high handicap players, while the AP2s are preferred by accomplished amateurs and professionals because of their superior playability. PW of 44*. The new AP1 irons are the longest, most forgiving irons Titleist has ever made, with a multi-material, dual cavity design for players that want maximum distance, forgiveness and solid feel. Danny are you one of those that think if the pay the most they get the best? 5 years ago Bridgestone sued and got over $5 billion out of them for stealing their soft ball compound. The Titleist 716 AP1 irons are a forgiving high-end game improvement club that carries on the traditions of previous generations of AP1s.. Introduction. So do the 716 CB (cavityback) and … But I might be wrong. To me, they both felt great. After 3 years only thing one degree is gonna change is your mind. Titleist 718 AP1 Irons Review. Titleist has raised the bar on its terrific AP1 714. Look around for some better pricing. April 05, 2017 at 05:59 PM For example, a 7-iron was a comfortable 155 yards for many years. All CNCPT; CP-02; CP-03; CP-04; Vokey Design Wedges. $181.34. I just want to hear what some of you play and what made you choose that set or that mix or sets. I have both the ap2 714s and 710. I don’t drive a Ferrari because I can’t afford it, but I don’t expect Ferrari to come out with an affordable car just so regular guys like me can buy one. Entire Thread: “How many GolfWRX gearheads are still playing traditional lofted irons?”. if Titleist is such a great brand. A 3-5 most of my life, I no longer have the distance. Now, a week before … Learn how your comment data is processed. It’s not as forgiving as the AP1 and this is was evident in the lower irons. All rights reserved. Make sure you hit them all. Hard goods breaks even.. the balls is where the cash is. But it’s true. Titleist – one of the most classic and iconic brands in the history of golf. Orange/Iron 1 = 718 AP2. Titleist 714 CB 3-9 X100 Titleist Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist Vokey Raw Black SM5 46, 54, 58. I hit more heel and toe shots (impact tape) with AP2 than CB. Shaft: Project X Rifle 6.5, Putter: TaylorMade Spider X Copper (34.25 inches, 2.5 loft, 70 lie), Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Cord (58R 1+1, logo down). I was a taylormade guy for 25 years and glad I jumped ship as every two years is soon enough and titleist holds its value. I wouldn’t upgrade just to upgrade though as I highly doubt you will notice any difference than your 712. The CB's are just a tad thicker and I have been able to deal with it. -AP2 3,4 irons; 5,6,7 CBs; 8,9,PW MBs; all have KBS Tour X-Stiff shafts, 2 degrees upright, Golf Pride Patriot grips. The width of the topline on the AP1 has been reduced slightly and a new support bar has been added to the AP1 … Like the MB and CB irons, the AP1 and AP2 feature a pre-worn leading edge, and improved hosel blending to minimize the appearance of offset. I like the thin top line but I like something where I can work as well. Im not saying your wrong just never really heard of it. Never could keep up with the changes from the OEMs….I grant you Tieleist is the most consistent and traditional mfgr. The stregthening of the lofts is discouraging. Eli Callaway dispelled that therory when he charged the most and then gave you crap made by communist Chinese. I’m not the greatest golfer and have been only playing for <3 years but is anyone else sick of the increase lofts on the lower irons? When I was testing both sets and was fitted, I found out that the 718 AP1 irons are a degree stronger than the 714 and 716 irons. Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S300. Many courses/clubs who are Titleist dealers have demos. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. [youtube id=”8rXicAUQbZ0″ width=”620″ height=”360″]. The 714 AP1 long irons are cast from the same 431 stainless steel as their predecessors, but they feel better because of a new support bar that was added in the cavity. Seeing how Titleist balls cost the most.. don’t expect their hard goods to go down.. for that matter any or the OEM’s prices to go down. I like the MB in the shorter (7-P) irons for the feel and workability. If you want top of the line you gotta pay up. Shafts were CS lite stiff with the cushion insert .. so 107g + 9g. Their stuff sells thru faster. How is that possible? They also felt a little bit smoother to me compared to the AP2s with plenty of workability. Here’s why. But you will not be disappointed with the ap2, and it will give you that little bit of forgiveness. My bag consisted of 3-GW 714 AP1s and was a bit disheartened to find out that Titleist doesn’t make a 718 AP1 3-iron. Make sure you get fitted by an authorized fitter to get what’s right for you. The thin top line, a bit forgiving and a club i can work. After many years of hitting whatever clubs available I have started to go down the path and getting fitted for a set of irons. chowchow I was just wondering how retailers where cracking down on ebay sales. Titleist also announced in late 2015 the 716 T-MB utility iron, plus the 816H hybrids (which come in 816H1 and 816H2 models). Or better yet, now is the season for Titleist Thursdays pretty much all over the country. The 710 designates the new generation of product with the “10″ designating 2010. AP2 felt a little better, but again no real difference over my TM's. But in the short irons, engineers did the opposite, adding weight to the upper portion of the club heads. It’s not as forgiving as the AP1 … We are still talking about a game whose origin dates back to Scottish shepards. Want 6? In 2013, Titleist’s 712 AP1 irons — the company’s largest, most forgiving model — became the best-selling Titleist iron in the marketplace, generating 51 percent of the company’s iron sales. The issue for me is lofts. I got AP2's with the same shaft and swing weight as my gamer set. No? If you are looking for a compact profile with forgiveness I would take a good look at the AP2. Hmm, I think I love my bore-thru, forged 735 CMs even more now. In the AP2 long irons, the tungsten is positioned low and toward the edges of the head, which lowers the center of gravity (CG) and increases moment of inertia (MOI). Love the new look and changes to the AP2. What is with everyone on this message board complaining about Titleist prices. Not yet a GolfWRX member? I am now and will always be a Titleist iron man. I would go with the 716 AP2 not the AP1. I will take TM. I hit the CB T-MB and the AP2. No cost and you will definitely walk away knowing whether the AP1… Titleist released the 718 AP2 and 718 AP3 irons in August 2017, and the chrome-finished clubs have found their way into bags of tour players and recreational golfers alike. Titleist is one of the highest priced OEM’s at the wholesale level to golf shops. Pay a premium to play Titleist, knowing they won’t be half off and obsolite next week like Taylormade. Again, Ridiculous!! It goes,: Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. The AP2 irons will carry a street price of $1099 with steel shafts and $1299 with graphite, while the MB and CB irons will cost $999 with steel shafts and $1199 with graphite. Yes, they are great clubs, but come on Tileist, control the costs a little better. The soles of the long irons are also slightly wider, moving even more weight to the bottom of the club. ), I have to say, I am not hating playing off a 47* PW vs the 44 or 45 I am used to …. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 90 TX, Irons: TaylorMade P7MB (4-PW) (Courtesy of Titleist) While the names haven't changed from the previous launch two years ago, significant improvements and … … I wouldn’t do it. How to remove an OEM adjustable sleeve for later use, Vote Now: GolfWRX Community Choice Awards. The CB short irons also have a slightly shorter profile that makes them look more compact at address, which many better players prefer. I’ve had a demo day this week and believe me everyone with 712 where blown away by the performance and details wich makes it a better club then 712! Pros: Titleist’s 714 CB and MB offer no-nonsense looks and a soft, forged iron feel for all the feedback accomplished golfers need for precision iron play. Again, good hits did feel different, but I got more carry with the AP1… If you have the wrong shaft you won’t maximize the excellencies of the iron set. I bent my 5 iron a bit strong (26.5 degrees) and then go into a i200 4 iron at 22.5 degrees. Driver: TaylorMade SIM (10.5 degrees @9) Thanks to Ryan Moore himself for this Ryan Moore what’s in the bag! Just pricing a good segment of the market out…. how would they go about that? High launch will help me get a better higher trajectory with my long irons then I do right now with my 712 MB/CB combo set. They aren't crap if you can hit the sweet spot consistently. In association with http;//www.golfwrx.comTitleist 716 Irons AP1 AP2 CB MB. Always love the posting wars between brand loyalists. On top of that, it's fairly safe to say that Titleist 718 AP1 is a more popular iron set, based on its reviews. Like the iron’s multi-layer medallion, the bar fine tunes vibration to give the irons a pleasing sound at impact. I tried Mizzy, Callaway, and other brands of irons but because I’m left handed I didn’t have a big selection. I love the thin top line of blades. Taking loft differences into account the CB's go higher as actually further/loft. I’m convinced that the AP1 or AP2 are superior than the RocketBladez of TaylorMade. I don’t think I will notice much. I highly suggest trying out Titleist’s new offerings because they are perfect; you can work the ball however you want and they’re more forgiving than you would expect. Traded in my 716 CB and 716 MB for a set of 5-PW 718CB and 718 AP3 4 Iron. *Standard Stock Available irons: AP1: 5-W 48, AP3: 4-W 48, AP2: 4-W 50, T-MB: 2-W 50, CB: 2-P, and MB: 4-P. I mean it’s not uncommon to need new wedges when u get new irons. Paid $150 for them. Good products have a pricetag, stop crying! One of these days… On of these OEM’s will get a brilliant idea…. The irons have also been released to players at the European Tour’s HNA Open de […] [youtube id=”e2uNO_hp164″ width=”620″ height=”360″]. There are 3-4 different shaft offerings for both reg. I don’t know how the price comparison works out though. I would suggest a combo set for anyone who is serious about maximizing their iron game. just accept the irons will go a little shorter. Should have a time limit of how long you’ve played before contributing. Titleist did have problems with the balls. I must say that my 4i AP1 is nearly as long as my 5 wood (set to 18deg and shaft shortened by an inch). I have to by a new set before the end of the year because of the face wear on my 710 AP2. Not sure if there’s that big of a difference, despite the marketing spiel. Titleist’s prices don’t foster elitism, they aren’t any more expensive than TM or Callaway. I play AP1 4i-W. 3,4 AP1’s, 5-PW AP2’s …. Anyone else in the same boat?”. These should be about 200 less IMO. CB irons were the same but I was fit into different shafts in the different heads. After extensive research and demoing the 712 AP2 and CB I just ordered an AP2, CB, MB comb set. Recently we put out the call for our members to submit their WITBs in our forum to be featured on... Kevin Na’s What’s In The Bag? Over a grand for new irons? Blue/Iron 3 = 718 AP1. Or u should get the ap2’s the pitching wedge for them is 46. Maybe that is why most people work for the other guy. The clubs are forged with the tungsten slug in place, which McGinley said gets the tungsten slug into a very critical area of the heel. The AP2 irons were forged and designed for better ball strikers, while the high launch, cast AP1 … When most golfers think about moving weight to the edges of a club head, they think about the heel and toe sections of the back cavity, which is where most players irons like the AP2’s concentrate their discretionary weight. Thanks for the rant! What is everybody crying about 1 degree of loft! Looking for advice from other seniors. Manufacturers have been selling irons individually to golf courses for years. On top of that, it's fairly safe to say that Callaway Steelhead XR Irons is a more popular iron set, based on its 50+ reviews. Welcome to Team Titleist. I’ve always been a pro v or lethal guy, but the supersofts work great with these irons. The 718 AP2 is much better than the 716 version and I liked the additional height I was getting in my long irons with the AP2. Love the feel just something to keep in mind.. I am new here but I have been a golfer my whole life. The KEY is to make sure you get the right shaft. Well, actually, it has replaced the bar. Buy a golf shop. The stock shaft for the AP1 Iron is the True Temper AMT Red, which is lighter in the long irons and heavier in the short irons. So now that the range is sequenced correctly, what we … Unfortunately I don’t hit it out of the middle often enough so couldn’t make a case for using these instead of the AP1. Like the 714 AP2 irons, the AP1 long irons use wider soles and tungsten to lower the CG. Exact specs: But Titleist truly took its weighting strategy to the edge with the 714 AP2’s, adding a tungsten weight slug in the bottom portion of the hosel. If you don’t like their prices, don’t buy their clubs. Titleist 718 AP1 (available September 29) retails for $1,000 (eight irons) with True Temper Dynamic Gold AMT Red S300 steel or $1,200 with Mitsubishi Chemical Tensei Pro … $599.99. My FG-17s and 1971 Wilson Button Backs are really old school lofts (which are 1 club weaker than traditional lofts).”, Skhacker: “I bend all my irons a couple degrees weak to get as close as I can to “traditional”, but some are so jacked (even players irons) that I still can’t always get there. My Ap1’s are already a touch strong. I guess I’ll keep playing my 712 AP2s. Just like previous generations, the irons are forged from 1025 carbon steel, which gives them a soft, solid feel.